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"Ye cannae change the laws of physics!"

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:41 am
by smeggypants
"Ye cannae change the laws of physics!"

Errrrrr, well it looks like you possibly can .....



Speed-of-light experiments give baffling result at Cern

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Much of modern physics depends on the idea
that nothing can exceed the speed of light
Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light.

Neutrinos sent through the ground from Cern toward the Gran Sasso laboratory 732km away seemed to show up a tiny fraction of a second early.

The result - which threatens to upend a century of physics - will be put online for scrutiny by other scientists.

In the meantime, the group says it is being very cautious about its claims.

"We tried to find all possible explanations for this," said report author Antonio Ereditato of the Opera collaboration.

"We wanted to find a mistake - trivial mistakes, more complicated mistakes, or nasty effects - and we didn't," he told BBC News.

"When you don't find anything, then you say 'Well, now I'm forced to go out and ask the community to scrutinise this.'"


Caught speeding?

The speed of light is the Universe's ultimate speed limit, and much of modern physics - as laid out in part by Albert Einstein in his special theory of relativity - depends on the idea that nothing can exceed it.

Thousands of experiments have been undertaken to measure it ever more precisely, and no result has ever spotted a particle breaking the limit.

But Dr Ereditato and his colleagues have been carrying out an experiment for the last three years that seems to suggest neutrinos have done just that.

Neutrinos come in a number of types, and have recently been seen to switch spontaneously from one type to another.

The team prepares a beam of just one type, muon neutrinos, sending them from Cern to an underground laboratory at Gran Sasso in Italy to see how many show up as a different type, tau neutrinos.

In the course of doing the experiments, the researchers noticed that the particles showed up a few billionths of a second sooner than light would over the same distance.

The team measured the travel times of neutrino bunches some 15,000 times, and have reached a level of statistical significance that in scientific circles would count as a formal discovery.

But the group understands that what are known as "systematic errors" could easily make an erroneous result look like a breaking of the ultimate speed limit, and that has motivated them to publish their measurements.

"My dream would be that another, independent experiment finds the same thing - then I would be relieved," Dr Ereditato said.

But for now, he explained, "we are not claiming things, we want just to be helped by the community in understanding our crazy result - because it is crazy".

"And of course the consequences can be very serious."


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"Ye cannae change the laws of physics!"

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:50 am
by Resonance
Can't subatomic particles sub-atomic particles can be in two places at once. Could that have something to do with it??

It's all way over my head and I guess if that was one of the options it would have been mentioned in the article?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:00 am
by smeggypants
I think there's some quantum theory that says they can, but it's over my head too.

I don't think that's the case here though.

"Ye cannae change the laws of physics!"

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:02 pm
by LordNibbler
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"Ye cannae change the laws of physics!"

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:03 pm
by LordNibbler
You don't need Cern to prove this, you can use the internet. What better medium than wires going round the globe - vast distances at the speed of light. So I'm going to do an experiment to see if this works. After I've posted this, I'll do another post consisting purely of full stops which are similar in mass and electron valency to neutrinos. As long as there are no routing delays on the internet, the post full of neutrino full stops should appear in this thread before this message even though it was sent afterwards. And then, if I am right, you can nominate me for the Nobel Physics Prize :)

"Ye cannae change the laws of physics!"

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:03 pm
by LordNibbler
It worked!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:00 pm
by Resonance
Lol LN, very good :rofl:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:21 am
by smeggypants
LordNibbler wrote:You don't need Cern to prove this, you can use the internet. What better medium than wires going round the globe - vast distances at the speed of light. So I'm going to do an experiment to see if this works. After I've posted this, I'll do another post consisting purely of full stops which are similar in mass and electron valency to neutrinos. As long as there are no routing delays on the internet, the post full of neutrino full stops should appear in this thread before this message even though it was sent afterwards. And then, if I am right, you can nominate me for the Nobel Physics Prize :)


LOL :)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:18 pm
by annie27
As I have always suspected Science is 99% guess work and 1% fact ....... :D

"Ye cannae change the laws of physics!"

PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:43 am
by Andymac
The good thing about science is that it is always tested before it becomes fact and is always open for debate because knowledge , like everything else, evolves with experiment.

"Ye cannae change the laws of physics!"

PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:00 am
by Channel Hopper
Andymac wrote:.... knowledge , like everything else, evolves with experiment.


Tell that to the lemmings.

"Ye cannae change the laws of physics!"

PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:15 am
by smeggypants
Or the Christians :)