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Economic Left/Right: -2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.15

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Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.82

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Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82

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Whirliegig wrote:Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82

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I've done this twice now over the last year or two. Each time my score was pretty much exactly the same as Whirlie's. I shall do it again and report back :)
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Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72



Yup pretty much exactly the same as whirlie still. :)


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It's interesting that most of the the murderous FUCKHEADS of this world are top right ...

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Making this a sticky....

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mr. mustard wrote:
smeggypants wrote:It's interesting that most of the the murderous FUCKHEADS of this world are top right ...


I notice that the leaders of China, North Korea and Cuba are all absent. Not a very thorough graph is it?




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Ms Honey wrote:This is quite interesting - very little between New Labour and the Conservatives!

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I thought this one showing the movement of the parties is very telling, Labours move the right, the Tories more liberal position under Cameron and the Liberals movement towards the Tories.
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Ms Honey wrote:This is quite interesting - very little between New Labour and the Conservatives!


As if we need a graph to show that. :)


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The theory that any political system eventually evolves into an oligarchy. This theory is called the "Iron law of oligarchy". According to this school of thought, modern democracies should be considered as elected oligarchies. In these systems, actual differences between viable political rivals are small, the oligarchic elite impose strict limits on what constitutes an 'acceptable' and 'respectable' political position, and politicians' careers depend heavily on unelected economic and media elites.

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Jim_UK wrote:I thought this one showing the movement of the parties is very telling, Labours move the right, the Tories more liberal position under Cameron and the Liberals movement towards the Tories.
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All the three parties are being increasingly dominated by the same forces and a move towards fascist tendancies.

Same is happening in the USA and other "Western" countries.

Very interesting graph and as you say, very telling. :)

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The 3 main parties in this country are about as far from fascism as you can get.

Liberalism is the polar opposite of fascism.




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mr. mustard wrote:The 3 main parties in this country are about as far from fascism as you can get.


Not according to that map it ain't buddy! Same shit over here in the states. 911 busted any chance of Liberty here dude.

14 signs of fascism-The USA turning into a fascist country?


Fascist Symbols In U.S. Congress


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I did this a few months ago and came up the same as Ghandi! :hello:

I find tests like this quite misleading: No one is either right or left; libertarian or authoritarian in our views. We are mixtures.

I find that I am Authoritarian on some Qs - Libertarian on others: Left on some Right on others.

I can get the same result and be very different to someone with the same score.

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AI wrote:Not according to that map it ain't buddy! Same shit over here in the states. 911 busted any chance of Liberty here dude.

I'm sorry, but even if you think some current policies are restrictive in the west, it's a long way from fascism.

Fascism is a term that gets bandied around, but what we have is a long way from it. Fascism functions without elections, a pyramid system with full nationalisation. Religion is restricted under it.

As far as I know, we still have elections, we still have the internet to say what we like, and free meetings and phone - ins to voice opinions. Anyone can form a political party here as well. Nationalisation is rare now, and religions are free to prosper with mosques and many other different temples available for all to attend.

Whatever the west is, it's not fascist.




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AI wrote:Not according to that map it ain't buddy! Same shit over here in the states. 911 busted any chance of Liberty here dude.

I'm sorry, but even if you think some current policies are restrictive in the west, it's a long way from fascism.

Fascism is a term that gets bandied around, but what we have is a long way from it. Fascism functions without elections, a pyramid system with full nationalisation. Religion is restricted under it.


A move towards fascism doesn't mean we're in a dictatorship. Fascism generally means the individual is subordinate to the state. And a restriction of religion is certainly not a trait of fascism. On the contrary religion itself can be easily argued to be fascist in nature. In which the individual adherent is subordinate to the controlling ideology. the Christian-Right in the US is a typical example of a fascist type ideology.

As far as I know, we still have elections, we still have the internet to say what we like, and free meetings and phone - ins to voice opinions. Anyone can form a political party here as well. Nationalisation is rare now, and religions are free to prosper with mosques and many other different temples available for all to attend.

Whatever the west is, it's not fascist.


I think you're confusing Fascism with totalitarianism and authoritarianism. Although facsist states can often be these things, so can communist states.


And really although we have elections, they are elections between only 2 main parties the political limits of which are not defined by the people but by the Oligarchy who bankrolls them . IOW the many get to choose between two groups allowed and largely controlled by a few. That's not a true democracy. And is also the reason why political agendas like Zionism can maintain an umbrella dominance over the system.

And while we have a large degree of speech. There's a big difference between being able to voice an opinion and being able to action that opinion. We trend to live in a "You can say what you like but we're going to do what we want anyway"

And there's proof of that in at least 3 areas. 1] the EU Superstate 2] Road Pricing 3] ID Cards. All unpopular and would never survive in a democracy. Yet they will ALL be implemented.

And AI is right about the US. Why has the US now got Free Speech Zones? These are zones which are used as state control of free speech. What happens is that those in support of the state are allowed to voice their opinion anywhere they like. those in protest against the state are herded like cattle into a 'free speech zone' which is sited well away from the glare of the media. Shouldn't the whole country be a free speech zone. America boasts about being the land of the free. it's far from it

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America and the UK aren't fascist states. Regardless of how the media and establishment operate, anyone can stand for election here with any agenda.

You may have things you don't like about the system, as do I, but to call it a fascist one is inaccurate. Our politicians are socially liberals democrats, all of them.

By saying 'it's not a true democracy' as you have, your'e admitting that it's a democracy. Flawed, but still a democracy.

I wish people would get their definitions correct.




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mr. mustard wrote:America and the UK aren't fascist states. Regardless of how the media and establishment operate, anyone can stand for election here with any agenda.

You may have things you don't like about the system, as do I, but to call it a fascist one is inaccurate. Our politicians are socially liberals democrats, all of them.

By saying 'it's not a true democracy' as you have, your'e admitting that it's a democracy. Flawed, but still a democracy.

I wish people would get their definitions correct.


it would be a strawman argument to assert I said they were fascist states and then proceed to argue against it.

What I said was..... "All the three parties are being increasingly dominated by the same forces and a move towards fascist tendencies." :)

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smeggypants wrote:Fascism generally means the individual is subordinate to the state.

That's a loose definition to suit your own vague comparison; it applies to almost every system of government. For better or worse, states have to rule.

Fascism is an extreme right wing nationalist undemocratic movement.

Labour is a left of centre internationalist democratic party. The difference is obvious.

You're just using the 'fascist' tendency argument because it's en easy handle. It gets used often, in a very lazy way.

In actual fact, your comparison way off the truth.




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smeggypants wrote:Fascism generally means the individual is subordinate to the state.

That's a loose definition to suit your own vague comparison; it applies to almost every system of government. For better or worse, states have to rule.

Fascism is an extreme right wing nationalist undemocratic movement.

Labour is a left of centre internationalist democratic party. The difference is obvious.

You're just using the 'fascist' tendency argument because it's en easy handle. It gets used often, in a very lazy way.

In actual fact, your comparison way off the truth.



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