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Caught this on the news earlier with interest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8152453.stm

This story really caught my attention, as we had a letter home from little 'uns school a couple of weeks ago. It was worded that "it has been mutually agreed, that the head teacher will be on extended personal leave..." We've not been told full details, but the letter came 2 days after the year 6 school trip, and playground rumours are that the head was escorted of the premises. The children are telling us she's coming back, the schools weekly news letter suggests otherwise.

Personally I'd like a bit more that "mutually agreed", as my son keeps asking me why she's on leave.

I know some parents are concerned that there was some sort of abuse may have occurred.

Should parents be given details of any allegations whether true or not?

Would it affect your view on a teacher if you found out that they had been accused but found innocent?

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I see your point Crumbs, but one point raised was that a child making false accusations could have other underlying problems.
Children making false allegations often have complex needs, and in some cases may be trying to draw attention to abuse or other issues


I was also concerned to note that there are no proper procedures in place for when such allegations are made

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along the same note ....Philip Pullman will no longer enter schools to give reading etc ...what a shame

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8153251.stm

kids are being raised thinking every adult is a potential threat ...we should always act with some caution but its getting bloody silly now




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annie27 wrote:along the same note ....Philip Pullman will no longer enter schools to give reading etc ...what a shame

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8153251.stm

kids are being raised thinking every adult is a potential threat ...we should always act with some caution but its getting bloody silly now


Tricky one Annie.

I can see the point of the checks, if they are in a school on a regular basis, but don't think the visitors should have to pay. It should be the school paying, if they're inviting people in. But then again, would they be left unsupervised with a group of children? If not, then there would be no need to be checked.

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A top author begrudges £64 and feels because he is famous he shouldn't undergo the same checks that other adults have to go through when they work with children?

These checks are to protect children and anyone who resents that has no place visiting schools. The protection of children is paramount in schools and if that impinges on the human right of adults then that is just tough luck!

To answer your original question TR, I think that the school would be in a very dodgy legal position if it decided to share allegations with parents at this stage, especially if there was any suggestion of any sort of criminal investigation. To do so could prejudice proceedings.

I can understand parents are anxious but teachers get send on "gardening leave" for all sorts of reasons and it could have nothing to do with the children in their care. They could have been dipping into the petty cash or been involved in something outside the school.




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annie27 wrote:along the same note ....Philip Pullman will no longer enter schools to give reading etc ...what a shame

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8153251.stm

kids are being raised thinking every adult is a potential threat ...we should always act with some caution but its getting bloody silly now


Tricky one Annie.

I can see the point of the checks, if they are in a school on a regular basis, but don't think the visitors should have to pay. It should be the school paying, if they're inviting people in. But then again, would they be left unsupervised with a group of children? If not, then there would be no need to be checked.


that was his argument ..he is NEVER alone with the children ....always with a teacher present ..as you say tricky one ..




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This has got me thinking now. What about student teachers and students doing work experience placements? Do they get checked?

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so all this is done to protect our innocent children ....and then you read this !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... -tans.html

pity the schools do not protect the childhood of children in better ways ....




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Jessica Rabbit wrote:A top author begrudges £64 and feels because he is famous he shouldn't undergo the same checks that other adults have to go through when they work with children?

These checks are to protect children and anyone who resents that has no place visiting schools. The protection of children is paramount in schools and if that impinges on the human right of adults then that is just tough luck!

To answer your original question TR, I think that the school would be in a very dodgy legal position if it decided to share allegations with parents at this stage, especially if there was any suggestion of any sort of criminal investigation. To do so could prejudice proceedings.

I can understand parents are anxious but teachers get send on "gardening leave" for all sorts of reasons and it could have nothing to do with the children in their care. They could have been dipping into the petty cash or been involved in something outside the school.


I see you've fallen for the "every adult is a peadophile" gutter press hype. I was a schoolkid in the 70s and kids got the cane and a clip round the ear for being fucking idiots and for being disrespectful.



There is nothing in my post to suggest that I think "every adult is a paedophile" and please do not put words into my mouth. Paedophiles are attracted to professions where they have easy access to children and if say 1,000 people need to be screened to protect children from one individual then I don't think that is unreasonable. Most people understand the reasons behind screening and are quite prepared to go through that in the wider interest.

I am happy to debate this with you crumbs, but cut the personal attacks and aggression out because quite honestly it is getting very tedious.




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annie27 wrote:so all this is done to protect our innocent children ....and then you read this !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... -tans.html

pity the schools do not protect the childhood of children in better ways ....


I could not agree with you more Annie. Do you remember the murder of that little girl in America - she was found in the basement? Jon Bennet Ramey I think? That blew the beauty pageant scene in American wide open and rightly so. The sight of any child dressed up like that is loathesome to me. Children grow up far too quickly. Let them enjoy being kids.




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Jessica Rabbit wrote:
annie27 wrote:so all this is done to protect our innocent children ....and then you read this !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... -tans.html

pity the schools do not protect the childhood of children in better ways ....


I could not agree with you more Annie. Do you remember the murder of that little girl in America - she was found in the basement? Jon Bennet Ramey I think? That blew the beauty pageant scene in American wide open and rightly so. The sight of any child dressed up like that is loathesome to me. Children grow up far too quickly. Let them enjoy being kids.


She was a freak. The poor kid.

Here she is ...

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ridiculous!!!

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True red wrote:I see your point Crumbs, but one point raised was that a child making false accusations could have other underlying problems.
Children making false allegations often have complex needs, and in some cases may be trying to draw attention to abuse or other issues


Doesn't mean they can make false allegations with impunity though.

Some kind of punishment should be a deterrent for others. They do it because they can get away with it.

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